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MEMsound
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brz20 (Κωνσταντίνος)
Έχω ξεφύγει !!!
Peugeot 307 1.6 (16V) XSi (2004)
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Πεμ 09 Μάρ 2006, 00:44:55 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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Πολυ καλο θα ελεγα.Αν και θα με βολευαν λιγα περισσοτερα στοιχεια εκτος των φωτογραφιων
The Ubuntu it's a way of life. |
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tsosmoulis (μητσάκος)
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106 rallye x 2
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Δευ 13 Μάρ 2006, 20:56:40 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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εχει και βιντεακι...  |
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MEMsound
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206gti
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ 17 Μάρ 2006, 12:33:31 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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....συνεχεια....
Στην περίπτσωση που δεν έχετε καταλάβει μιλάμε για Biturbo moter...  
| lybker έγραψε: | ...well its not completly legal - but fun 
did a new video to show how boost works between the 2 turbos -
you will see at the moment there is so little fuel that I can´t boost the large turbo more than 0,5bar - this results in 1,8bar after its compressed again through the second turbo.
to hint how slow it is to boost: at 2200rpm it delivers 1 bar boost on the small turbo...(when the dials are vertical - it shows 1 bar)
This will of course change as soon as the car is mapped tomorrow
Link: http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/twin_boost.wmv |
| lybker έγραψε: | well got it mapped - but some problems arose. Now I have to change some bits to get some decent power 
So at the moment its an unsatisfying 195bhp/350nm
Did a small video to indicate how it works at the moment:
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/40-200.wmv
should be good once done
oh and yeh wanted to weigh the two engines - but think the diff. is about 20kg or so |
τι έγινε!!!!
Που πήγε η μπάλα!!!!
195ps / 350nm
ΑΝΤΕ ΓΕΙΑ!!!!
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ultra-one (Χάρης)
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Peugeot 206 1.6 GTi 2004 Blue Recife :)
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ 17 Μάρ 2006, 12:59:00 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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Είδατε το βιντεάκι???
Κάνει 70-120χαω με 3η σε 6δλ..... 
Είμαι περίεργος να το δοκιμάσω στο 1.6 16v να δω πόσο κάνει..... 
Μου αρέσει o τύπος που λέει ότι 195bhp είναι "unsatisfying"!!!!!!!!!!!!
Στα τελευταία βίντεο έπαθα την πλάκα μου!!!
Οι επιταχύνσεις είναι λες και είναι πάνω σε δυναμόμετρο και όχι στο δρόμο!!!!!!!
Επιτέλους το 206 μου άρχισε να γίνεται αυτοκίνητο  |
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MEMsound
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206gti
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ 14 Απρ 2006, 19:35:36 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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Η συνέχεια:
| lybker έγραψε: | Well finally got some time to get on with my work:
Update:
Took the engine out today - only way to get to the 2 turbos....
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/206_no_engine_01.JPG
The thrustbearing on the small turbo gave up 2 days ago - mainly because of the turbine side being to small. So when the larger turbo would go on boost - it would overspool the small turbo...
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/engine_01.JPG
...thats also why there is so much oil on the back of the engine.
Tomorrow i will do a very short new manifold, and fit the new GT23VNT turbo - yes now it will only be a single turbo again.
Aim is to get some lifetime on the turbos+engine as I want to use it for trackdays - so max 200-210bhp but good torque - as said before...
Also found that the company that resized my injectors made a mistake and didnt increase them as much as I asked for (only got around 10% eventhough I asked for 30%).
Found a new bosch-dealer that will help me - and we will try to increase flow up to 60% - should see some nice powergains then....
will update you on the next couple of days... |
και...
και...
| lybker έγραψε: | day 3:
wasn´t happy with my manifold - so decided to change it a bit - the turbo is now closer to the engine - pretty happy with the endresult - now I will put on some powerblanket to reduce boost lag:
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/new_manifold_again_1.JPG
Also got the rest of the piping done - sadly I haven´t gotten my new TIG welder yet - so have to weld everything with a MIG + argon = crap weldings
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/new_manifold_again_2.JPG
Also I changed the chip in the ecu. If u look closer you can see the curcuit board that controls the dual - map. the white wire is connected to a switch at my dashboard so I can quickly turn power down to 90bhp if needed 
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/110bhp_software.JPG
Things are taking longer than usual - have been struck by some bad planning, accidents and not having a car to go pick up things I need in, slowed me down.
So I am not sure it will be done by tomorrow as planned - maybe friday |
και...
| lybker έγραψε: | Didn´t have that much time to work on it today....
fitted the manifold & turbo + the inlet and boostpipes...did the oil feed+return pipes
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/fitting_engine.JPG
Fitted the engine the first time at 19:00 - found the boostpipe hit the lower front frame on the car - had to remove it 3 times before everything was sorted.
Hope to get more time tomorrow.... |
και ...the end.... almost ... (γ@μ#μeν#  μπαταρία...)
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Σαβ 22 Απρ 2006, 09:48:07 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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| lybker έγραψε: | Been a while since my last update - so just a short blurp:
Got the boost control working pretty good, but sometimes it still overboost´s and goes into limp-mode. This has to be sorted on the dyno, before its perfect - as its very sensitive.
Will fit new injectors...again - this time from a mercedes C330 AMG
Wanted injectors that was 60% bigger - but couldn´t find that anywhere yet
normal hdi 2,2L injectors flow 68ml/sek - the AMG injectors flow 97ml/sek - so a increase of 42%, really hope this will be enough.
This will happend on thursday + I will get it remapped, so friday I should have some power-figures and a dyno sheet for you all - keep fingers crossed, that it doesn´t blow on the dyno...hehe |
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| Δημοσιεύθηκε: Παρ 28 Απρ 2006, 19:39:21 Θέμα δημοσίευσης: |
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και λίγη συνέχεια τεχνικού περιεχόμενου:
| lybker έγραψε: | Finally got back - with some more knowledge.
Yesterday I went to a bosch testcenter where I could borrow their equipment for flow testing.
So set out to test various conditions:
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/changing_nozzles.JPG
mercedes C30 AMG vs my old modified injectors:
to my surprise they delivered the same amount: 69mm3/h at 1350bar and 1ms openingtime...
bit wierd as the C30 injectors should have delivered 89mm3/h....hmmm!
modified versus standard 2,2 injectors
Standard injectors was to flow 61mm3/h (not 67-68 as I said above...)
- So only a increase of 13% of flow.
modified versus standard 2,0 injectors
standard 2,0 injectors flow about 50mm3/h BUT........!!!!!
when I fitted the modified injectortips to the 2,0L injectorbody and tested them....they gave 80mm3/h!!! (with the 2,2L hdi body they only gave 69mm3/h) this is an increase of 62% in flowrate for the 2L hdi engine! - explains the good succesrate i had with these injectors
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/testing_injectors1.JPG
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/testing_injectors2.JPG
So the final conclusion:
As the the C30 and the modified injector nozzles delivered the exact same amount on the 2,2L injec.body and both delivered more when fitted to the 2,0L injec.body:
The injectorbody has influence on how much flow the injector-tips can deliver....seems the feed-hole inside the 2,2L injectorbody is smaller than the one on the 2L injectorbody = one can never make more power on the 2,2L engine than the 2,0L....unless this feed-hole can be made bigger! (working on that)
So with this new info I now know why I cant get the power I wanted from the 2,2L, so wont go fish for it anymore. But I now know what to do, but not how to....yet. So wont reach my power-aim untill this is solve.
I still got the map on the car adjusted a bit: no smoke and boostcontrol now works + rpm limiter at 5500rpm!
have some small problems still - to long pause on fueldelivery when changing gears, and occationally the ECU goes into fail safe mode
Finally a small video from the dyno:
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2HDI/rebuild/mapping_206.wmv
will keep on working on solving the limited flowrate of the injectorbody...when I know some more I will share it with you... |
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