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BlackFire - Δευ 08 Νοέ 2010, 23:31:00
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Γεια σε όλους! Γράφω από την Ιταλία.
Δεν ξέρω ελληνική γλώσσα.
Δεν ξέρω ελληνική γραφή.
Γράφω με το μεταφραστή (google)

Έχω ένα σοβαρό πρόβλημα για το αυτοκίνητό μου.
το αυτοκίνητό μου στο Peugeot 106 GTI 1600 16v 1998.
μηχανικός μου λέει:
μηχανή σας δεν είναι ευρωπαϊκή, μηχανή σας θα είναι Έλληνας! εγχειρίδιο και μηχανικό για την επισκευή του κινητήρα!

Παρακαλώ μπορείτε να με βοηθήσετε;
Πού μπορώ να βρω τεχνικά μηχανή δεδομένα;
είναι χαραγμένο τον κωδικό του κινητήρα:
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NFX______10FX0R
PSA____ * 0332939 *
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αν θέλετε εικόνες, φωτογραφίες μου post.

είναι αλήθεια ότι η Ευρώπη είναι διαφορετικό από το μοτέρ του κινητήρα Έλληνας;

Ευχαριστώ !!!!!!!!

volvos - Δευ 08 Νοέ 2010, 23:43:35
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hello were do you live in italy?

BlackFire - Δευ 08 Νοέ 2010, 23:47:18
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volvos έγραψε:

hello were do you live in italy?

Hello!
I live in Piedmont... Why do you ask?

Giannis307 - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 04:43:15
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I dont think there is any difference in the engine.The identification NFX is the same everyhere....Could you ask your mechanic to be more specific about the problem he has and you about the overall problem tha you have with your car......

volvos - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 09:36:53
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ask here
http://www.psa-evolution.com/

he is in milano

very good guy i have bought a lot of thinks from him. expert in psa group!

Pughell - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 10:22:30
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What kind of problems are you facing?

BlackFire - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 12:03:46
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Pughell έγραψε:

What kind of problems are you facing?

Thank you all!

The mechanic says, greek piston pin is bigger than the piston pin European.
connecting rods are different ...
Spare parts Europeans are not compatible with my engine.
the mechanic says the engine is not European, but Greek

is it possible?

BlackFire - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 12:06:32
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volvos έγραψε:

ask here
http://www.psa-evolution.com/

he is in milano

very good guy i have bought a lot of thinks from him. expert in psa group!

Thanks!
I try to contact the guy today.

Sidobre - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 12:38:52
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BlackFire έγραψε:

Pughell έγραψε:

What kind of problems are you facing?

No, this is not possible. All the engines build by PSA (except Argentina and China) is the same worldwide.

But:

The TU5J4 engine (106 rallye 1.6 16v, Saxo VTS 120) have 19.5mm gudgeon pin

The TU5JP4 engine (206 XS, C2 VTS) have 18mm gudgeon pin (different piston and connecting rods than TU5J4).

Is this your original engine? Or was swaped with an TU5JP4 one?

BlackFire - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 12:55:03
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Sidobre έγραψε:

you're an expert on these engines! perfect!

the engine code that is written on the motor is (PSA) NFX 10FX0R
is the code of TU5J4. right?

then the seller of spare parts tells me lies !!!!!! grrrrrrrr!!

greenpug106 - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 13:09:32
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So are you trying to rebuild your engine?

Sidobre - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 13:26:12
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BlackFire έγραψε:

the engine code that is written on the motor is (PSA) NFX 10FX0R
is the code of TU5J4. right?

Correct! The enging code of TU5J4 is NFX. The engine code of TU5JP4 is NFU.

Also the pistons of TU5J4 have small cut outs for the valves:

And the pistons of TU5JP4 is completly flat (and maybe a mark with JP4 on it)

BlackFire - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 14:12:42
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you are all very nice! you are better than the Italians!

yes, I'm rebuilding the engine of my 1600 Peugeot 106 GTi 16v year 1998.

Thanks for the pictures! great!

you have the specifications of the engine? Bore and stroke, the size of the connecting rods, pistons, crankshaft, etc.?

if you have these specifications, you will solve the problems.
ask for compensation to the seller of spare parts
Thanks!

greenpug106 - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 14:24:53
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Perhaps you will get better prices by purchasing a kit?

Here is a guide with prices. However email him if you want because these are probably for higher spec engines

http://www.hiflowheads.co.uk/performance/vts.pdf

BlackFire - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 14:43:27
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greenpug106 έγραψε:

Perhaps you will get better prices by purchasing a kit?

I do not understand your writing ... Sorry!

the seller of spare parts sold me the parts to rebuild the engine.
the pieces are not compatible though.
the seller of spare parts says that are not compatible
because my engine is greek.
However you say it's a lie.
I ask for a refund because he has sold pieces wrong

Pughell - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 20:26:36
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The JP4 pistons are not flat,they have a small lump to raise the compression ratio.
The J4 pistons are flat with cut outs only for the induction valves.

If you are planning to rebuild your engine,better don't do it at all...
Swap the engine block with a JP4 one and use most parts of your J4 engine.

It is a rather common change and the power gains are as big as using mild camshafts in a J4 engine. Wink

greenpug106 - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 20:45:26
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BlackFire έγραψε:

greenpug106 έγραψε:

Perhaps you will get better prices by purchasing a kit?

sorry mate didn't realize you already bought the parts.
As pughell says you can find several JP4 engines in very good condition, especially in UK.

there are also some detailed guides on what to use to make a J4 and JP4 hybrid in order to achieve around 120 - 130 bhp.

Do you intend to make more changes later to achieve more power?

after a search in ebay UK i found this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-206cc-1-6-PETROL-ENGINE-2004-/220478398484?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3355896014

Item number 220478398484

JP4 engine, 2004, 43.000 miles

volvos - Τρι 09 Νοέ 2010, 21:01:01
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http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/threads/167890-J4-to-Jp4-conversion-now-rolling-roaded-with-power-printout

these are some good instructions for what pughell wrote you above...

BlackFire - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 00:02:03
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thanks so much everyone!
through your help I understand that the engine NFX (TU5J4) is identical in Italy and Greece!
I went to peugeot authorized mechanic and did a search using the engine code.
Result:
The engine is original!

the mistake was made by the seller of spare parts.
the seller of spare parts sold me parts of another engine.
The seller of spare parts give back the money to me.
I'm making a more powerful engine With Wiseco parts and other brands

greenpug106 - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 07:20:35
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Ok mate good luck then!

Giannis307 - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 07:53:59
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When youre done post a dyno

BlackFire - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 19:19:33
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Giannis307 έγραψε:

When youre done post a dyno

Yes, if you're interested, of course!
I write you all modifications to the engine, just finished the works! Wink

you are wonderful people! you are much better than the Italians! Very happy

in Italy no one would help me so much, without knowing me! Rolling eyes

If I can spend money on vacations. I holiday in Greece! Very happy

Sidobre - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 20:09:06
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BlackFire έγραψε:

you are wonderful people! you are much better than the Italians! Very happy

Credetemi...

Una Faccia, Una Razza! Laughing

Pughell - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 20:27:20
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I don't think that it will be very interesting but if the google translator(or Babel Fish) can translate correctly,try reading this thread
http://www.psclub.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9633&start=0
which is about tweaking the TU5J4 to 150+ hp.
The first 15-20 pages are not so interesting and reliable but the other 10 have quite interesting information that you might need.

BlackFire - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 23:46:35
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Sidobre έγραψε:

BlackFire έγραψε:

you are wonderful people! you are much better than the Italians! Very happy

Credetemi...

Una Faccia, Una Razza! Laughing

I do not understand what you say Confused

(una faccia una razza?)

BlackFire - Τετ 10 Νοέ 2010, 23:48:24
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Pughell έγραψε:

google translator translates pretty well.
Thanks. I will read! Wink