πολυ σωστα το ειπες. για αυτο και εγραψα "ασε το ρολοι να μιλησει".
η αισθηση μπορει να ειναι ο χειροτερος φιλος, αν δε γνωριζουμε τι να αισθανθουμε.
Ειδικα με ελαφρια αυτοκινητα σαν το 206, καλυτερα να πειραματιστεις στις χαμηλες πιεσεις παρα στις υψηλες. Οι πιεσεις βασιζονται στα καθετα φορτια που δεχεται το ελαστικο και διαφερουν. Για παραδειγμα ενα βαρυ Evo 8 ποση πιεση θα βαλει στα 888, αν στο μικρο και ελαφρυ 206 μπαινουν 40psi ?
Η επιλογη της σωστης πιεσης ειναι μια απο τις ποιο αγνωστες διαδικασιες,
και δεν εχει σχεση με τη φθορα του ελαστικου, οπως γινονταν στο παρελθον. Να χαμε χρονο να τα λεγαμε και σε αυτο το θεμα, αλλα ειμαστε φουλ off topic, ηδη
Sidobre - Παρ 17 Οκτ 2008, 12:08:03
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Τάκη η Toyo γράφει να μην ΞΕΠΕΡΝΑΕΙ τα 40-42psi σε καμία περίπτωση.
Αρα θέλει πιο κάτω.
Και επειδή είμαι και κουβαρντάς...
Πάρε κάποια στοιχεία για τα R888
Operating Temperature: 140°F to 220°F, optimum around 200°F
Hot Inflation Pressures: High 30s to Low 40s (psi)
Camber: -2.5° to -5.0° (Anything lower than 2.5 or higher than 5.0 deg. negative will create some irregular wear.)
Caster: As much positive as possible
Dry Conditions
Front Drive - Starting minimum 24 psi.
Rear Drive - Starting minimum 18 psi.
Goal - 41 to 43 psi (hot)
Wet: (heavy water layer)
Front Drive - Starting minimum 28-30 psi.
Rear Drive - Starting minimum 22-24 psi.
Front Drive - Starting minimum 18-20 psi.
Rear Drive - Starting minimum 12-14 psi.
Kάπου είχα και ένα πίνακα με προτεινόμενες πιέσεις ανά βάρος οχήματος, αμα τις βρω θα τις ανεβάσω
volvos - Παρ 17 Οκτ 2008, 12:12:34
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παντως κανεις προοδους
πριν κανα χρονο ουτε θα απαντουσες
τωρα μας δινεις και πινακακια
σκατοκρυψηνε του κερατα
Sidobre - Παρ 17 Οκτ 2008, 12:19:27
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OK τον βρήκα!
My name is Alan Meaker, I am the Motorsport Manager for Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd.
I was at Rockingham on the Saturday 1st March at the LOT trackday and worked with a couple of cars using our R888 tyre regarding pressures and tread temperatures.
What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.
The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through 2 heat cycles before hard use.
The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.
Below are some basic settings:
VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE
Very Light <800kg> 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi
As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great.
Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.
Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.
Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures
Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures
Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures
Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures
Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.
You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go off towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.
The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.
Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.
Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.
Some of you are also asking about different compounds. Originally we only had one compound ‘GG’ (medium hard), but we have now introduced some sizes in a ‘SG’ (soft/wet) compound. This was done primarily for sprint/hillclimb (around 60 second runs) where the distances covered are relatively short and you need the tyres to work/heat up very quickly. This is not a compound I would recommend for race/trackday dry use as the tyres will go off very quickly.
Sidobre - Παρ 17 Οκτ 2008, 12:21:15
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) πείστηκα για τις πιέσεις και δοκίμασα 29-26 με πάρα πολύ καλά αποτελέσματα και σε απόδοση αλλά και σε φθορά. Με γλυκιά οδήγηση και όχι υπερβάσεις τα ελαστικά συμπεριφέρθηκαν άψογα από τον πρώτο γύρο στο trackday μέχρι και τον τελευταίο. Την επόμενη φορά θα δοκιμασω +1 εμπρός και -1 πίσω καθώς από την εικόνα του ελαστικού έδειχνε ότι θα ήταν οι ιδανικές για το αυτοκίνητο μου. 
